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Okay, so in at least three completely separate places in the past day I have seen variations of a concept that has Always Bugged Me to No End voiced-- that motherhood, particularly stay-at-home motherhood but these comments even seemed to be implying motherhood in general, is somehow Anti-Feminist. That becoming a mother is GIVING UP POWER in a feminist sense, is somehow weak or the product of male dominated society. OH FOR GOSH SAKES, what kind of mothers did these people HAVE growing up?

The whole idea of motherhood being some kind of old-fashioned Way of Keeping Women Down has made absolutely no sense to me since I was even a little kid who knew nothing of feminism. Where did this concept of The Man Is the Head of The Household come from? Whose household IS this? Not MINE. My mother has been a stay-at-home mom as long as I've known her, and it was always ABSOLUTELY CLEAR to me that she ruled the house. SHE made the rules, SHE made the decisions, SHE was the one you did not want to cross. DAD was the one you went to if you wanted something you knew Mom would say No to and you thought you could get away with doing it before Mom found out and Vetoed it. How could it be any other way, anyway? After all, Mom was the one who was HOME the whole time to DO those things. And people, my mom is not some bossy dragon-lady by any stretch of the imagination-- she's a quiet, unassuming woman who avoids arguments and never says a cruel word of anyone. But I NEVER questioned her authority.

And look, maybe my dad is ALSO a sweet-tempered, good-natured gentleman, but my HUSBAND can hardly be described that way -- maybe if you stretch it; and if we're out in public together, because of our comparative natures, HE'S the one doing all the talking for the most part, so perhaps the outside observer might THINK he's head of the household in that old fashion, but Not On Your Life at home. Don't you know it, I'm the mommy and I'm FRIGGIN' POWERFUL. I say what we eat, I say what we buy, I say where we're going if we've got family plans in the making. I mean, everyone else gets a SAY in the matter, but I get the last word on what happens in my house, because THAT'S WHAT MOMMYS DO. THEY RULE THE HOUSE. Even shy quiet mommies. Because "shy" "quiet" and/or "mommy" do NOT mean "weak" or "powerless." In fact, how much more powerful can you GET than being the Absolute Most Important Person in the life of another human being? How much more powerful can you get than to have SOMEONE'S LIFE IN YOUR HANDS EVERY HOUR OF EVERY DAY?

Strength is not measured in prestige or paychecks! Strength is standing up for what you believe, for yourself, for your loved ones. It has nothing to do with WHAT you are doing with your life. Just because a woman chooses a vocation that is traditionally Women's Work does not mean she is Under the Thumb of Some Man. She is only Under the Thumb of Some Man if Some Man is forcing or manipulating her into being Something She's Not. That means that if a woman decides she does not want to have children, nobody should force her to. But that DOESN'T mean that if a woman DOES decide to have children, she is somehow Giving Up Her Rights and Freedoms. Well, she IS giving up her freedom, but in an entirely different sense ;). And one kind of woman is in no way inherently stronger than the other kind-- it just means that one kind is more suited to motherhood than the other kind.

And you can be strong in more obvious ways than me and still be suited to motherhood. One of the strongest, toughest, no-BS women I have EVER known was my Aunt Gale. She was as un-stereotypical a housewife as you can possibly imagine. Yet she, too, WAS a stay-at-home-mom. If anyone had ever suggested to her that she had Given In to a Male-Enforced Lifestyle and Had Handed Away Her Power, she would have LAUGHED IN THEIR FACE. In the end the Cancer was the only thing she lacked the power to beat, but that's an enemy even your well-paid female CEOs haven't necessarily got the power to beat either. In fact, I bet more than a few of them have been a lot LESS powerful in battling that enemy in their own lives. The prestige of their careers means NOTHING in the face of death, because of course "CAREER" DOES NOT EQUAL "STRENGTH"!

I mentioned wondering what kind of Mother role-models the people making these assertions had growing up. I guess I also have to wonder what kind of MALE role-models they had growing up. Either way I feel sorry for them, very sorry for them, but that does not make what they say right for the entire rest of the world. Mothers are not all alike any more than non-mothers are all alike, and to make a sweeping generalization about the relative Strength of All Mothers as a group is every bit as ridiculous as saying all women should BE Mothers. Being a Mother does not mean you've become a Tool of the Patriarchy! It does not mean that you gamely go along with whatever your husband says on matters-- God Forbid it means you should allow him to VOTE for you for one thing! It does not mean you are suddenly this docile, gentle creature if you never were before. Don't get me wrong, being a Mother TOTALLY transforms and takes over your life, but it never turns you into something you are not, and it absolutely CERTAINLY does not make you weak, powerless, or boring. If you truly believe in Women's Rights, you shouldn't throw out a whole aspect of womanhood just because women have been doing it for millennia. Just because it was around back in the day of the Dominant Male does not mean it is a TOOL of the Dominant Male. Open up you mind and see all the amazingly powerful women who have THEMSELVES chosen motherhood.

Date: 2009-01-22 02:28 am (UTC)From: [identity profile] vovat.livejournal.com
I think anyone who argues that ANY choice a woman makes is anti-feminist has no clue what feminism is actually about.

Date: 2009-01-22 06:39 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] rockinlibrarian.livejournal.com
Right! It made me think how ironic it was when after Sammy was born I felt like everyone was pressuring me to find a job when I wasn't READY to go back to work-- it's like totally the opposite thing!

Date: 2009-01-22 02:29 am (UTC)From: [identity profile] majellen.livejournal.com
Wow...someone made the "barefoot, pregnant, and in the kitchen" comment to you, did they?

I agree with most of what you said.
Although motherhood HAS made me boring.

I think a lot of the "Stay at Home Moms are Weak" talk comes from working moms full of working-mom guilt.

and I ASPIRE to be a stay at home mom. That, however, will require one of two things to happen...this pregnancy to be twins, or my husband to make a lot more money.

Actually, if it were twins, we'd probably qualify for childcare aid.

Date: 2009-01-22 06:54 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] rockinlibrarian.livejournal.com
Actually the comments weren't directed at me at all (it's too cold to be barefoot! ;) ), they were just comments I found on other blogs-of-people-I-don't-even-know, nearly all related to the portrayal of females in fiction, though one was related to women who WRITE fiction (I think that was the one that actually said "just mommys who have traded in their power" or something like that, accusing writers of refusing to write "Strong Females" because they had given up being "Strong Females" themselves). Hah, instead of Too Many Female Characters Who Settle Down To Become Mommies, this just makes me think that there aren't enough Strong Female characters who ARE mommies. Have you seen the new Indiana Jones movie yet? Anyway, in that movie I love seeing Marian, who is without a doubt a strong female character, I love seeing that SAME character as a mother-- you see how she has GROWN but you also see that she is Absolutely Still Herself, a very Strong woman who happens to be, well, a very strong mother too. There are other great unique and strong female characters out there who've embraced motherhood, usually later in a series about them-- Thursday Next is another one that comes to mind. But apparently there aren't enough of them if people still think characters ought not to settle down with BABIES.

Date: 2009-01-22 02:35 am (UTC)From: [identity profile] punterschlagen.livejournal.com
I heartily agree with much of what you said. I get ticked off at the idea that just because we CAN make certain choices (such as have a career), that we MUST take them. oh, I could go on and on...

ROCK on.

Date: 2009-01-22 08:30 am (UTC)From: (Anonymous)
VERY nicely said. Didn't you just recently call yourself or your writing boring? SO wrong.

But as far as the rest of what you wrote in THIS post goes, couldn't agree more.

Anonymous Stalker

Re: ROCK on.

Date: 2009-01-22 06:59 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] rockinlibrarian.livejournal.com
Did I? I don't know if I called myself or my writing BORING. I did recently say that my writing SUCKED, but that wasn't for boringness, more for logical-inconsistencies-I-can't-get-right.

I think I'm pretty much only boring if you meet me in person for the first time because then I just sit there and not do anything except smile politely. And, if it's a social occasion where this is possible, eat.

Date: 2009-01-22 02:17 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] ardentreader.livejournal.com
Personally, I just think that the whole 'feminism' movement is where this country messed up. It's not that I don't think women have a place in the 'outside the home' workplace...I just don't think mothers do. I think it takes more guts to be a good mom and stay at home than to be a working mom. I also think it is the better mom that stays at home. Working mothers would be really really pissed to hear me say that, I'm sure...but you know what? I really don't care because I really do believe that. I used to be a working mother...I'm now a stay at home, homeschool mother, who cooks her children healthy food...and guess what? It has made a WORLD of difference.
I wouldn't let it get to you. People that have that concept are really the ones with the closed minds.

Date: 2009-01-22 07:01 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] rockinlibrarian.livejournal.com
I don't feel gotten to about it, personally. Just kind of amazed that the attitude exists, especially among people who supposedly believe in a woman's right to live how she wants to live.

Date: 2009-01-22 06:53 pm (UTC)From: [personal profile] sal_amanda
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Wow, I haven't run into those comments, but I think you are so right in your response. Honestly, in just about every household I've ever encountered, whether traditional or not, it was always the mother who was in charge. Sometimes it was obvious and sometimes it was subtle, but that was always the case. I can only think of one where the husband really worked hard to keep everyone under his thumb, but that marriage ended in divorce and the kids have very little respect for him.

Date: 2009-01-22 07:07 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] rockinlibrarian.livejournal.com
Well, I've seen them all (the comments I mean) in among my lit-related blogs-- three different places, and different people as well. I guess there's just been a bit of chatter about Strong Female Characters about lately. Strong Female Characters = Good, but why at least one person in every one of those conversations had to chip in with Strong Female Characters = Not Mommies is beyond me!

Date: 2009-01-22 11:52 pm (UTC)From: [personal profile] sal_amanda
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Geez, I think mommies are rather strong by nature. Or at least the good ones are. :)

Date: 2009-01-22 10:43 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] rockonliz127.livejournal.com
I think the problem is that it too a lot of blood, sweat and tears for women to earn the RIGHT to be working women and mothers at the same time. Therefore, anyone who chooses the "old" lifestyle is, in a way, choosing what it was back then--which was more of a weak position. The whole role system of the typical couple with kids is ridiculous anyway and I've gone on and on at length about it. The whole thing annoys me. Why can't people just be who they are, instead of conforming to a "type"?

But yes, I think that's where the sentiment comes from. I think too, women are very much pressured to "do itall", probably because if they don't they feel like they're giving up their hard-earned right to work and be independent. The problem of course is that by working and raising kids you become so overwhelmed and tired that you want to die. So women are realizing that they got what they wished for, and perhaps they should have been careful.

I see no solution except do what you need to do. I, for example, don't think I cuold handle working and having kids. I choose career over kids though. Well..or I should say, I choose a career where I essentially raise other people's kids. LOL.

Date: 2009-01-23 12:56 am (UTC)From: [identity profile] rockinlibrarian.livejournal.com
Well..or I should say, I choose a career where I essentially raise other people's kids. LOL.

Hah hah, totally. this reminds me that I heard some weird news item about music teachers today that reminded me of you, but now I forget what it was.

I guess I see the fear of "slipping backward," but my annoyance was not so much that that fear exists as much as the use of the words "strong" and "powerful" in expressing it. Equating the woman-doing-traditionally-manly-things with "strong and powerful" and the woman-doing-traditionally-womanly-things with "weak and powerless" reinforces stereotypes that I don't even see existing in real life, is my beef.

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